I practised occultism when I was twelve. But I must say I had no fear, I feared nothing. One goes out of one's body, but is tied by something resembling an almost imperceptible thread; if the thread is cut, it is all over. Life also is ended. One goes out, and then can begin seeing the world he has entered. And usually the first things one sees, as I said, are terrifying. Because, for you the air is empty, there is nothing in it - you see something blue or white, there are clouds, sunbeams, and all that is very pretty - but when you have the other sight, you see that it is filled with a multitude of small formations which are all residues of desires or of mental deformations and these swarm inside it, you see, in a mass, and this is not always very pretty. At times it is extremely ugly. This assails you; it comes, presses upon you, attacks you; and if you are afraid, it takes absolutely frightful forms. Naturally, if you do not flinch, if you can look upon all that with a healthy curiosity, you perceive that it is not at all so terrifying. It may not be pretty, but it is not terrifying.

I could tell you a little story.

I knew a Danish painter who was quite talented and who wanted to learn occultism. He had come here, you know, had met Sri Aurobindo; he had even done his portrait. That was during the war, and when he came back to France, he wanted me to teach him a little of this occult science. I taught him how to go out of his body etc. and the controls all that. And l told him that above all the first thing was not to have any fear. Then one day he came to tell me that he had had a dream the night before. But it was not a dream for  as I have told you he knew a bit about how to go out of his body  and he had gone out consciously. And once he had gone out he was looking! around seeing what was to be seen when suddenly! he saw a formidable tiger coming towards him drawing close with the most frightful intentions... He remembered what I had told him that he must not be afraid. So he began to say to himself "There is no danger i am protected nothing can happen to me i am wrapped up in the power of protection" and he began looking at the tiger in that way without any, fear. And as he went on looking at the tiger, immediately it began to grow smaller and smaller and smaller and - it became a tiny little cat! (Laughter)

What does the tiger represent?

It was probably... That day he had become angry; with somebody he had lost his temper and enter­tained bad thoughts; he had hoped that something; very unpleasant would happen to this person. Now,  in occultism there is the "rebound". You send out a bad thought it returns to you as an attack. That is exactly one of the reasons why you must have a complete control over your feelings sensations thoughts, for if you become angry with someone or think badly of him or if still worse you wish him ill well in your very dream you see this person coming with an extreme violence to attack you. Then if you do not know these things, you say "Why, I was right in having bad thoughts against him!" But in fact, it is not at all that. It is your own thought that comes back to you.

The Mother
3 March 1954